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The Bullpen

by CSF Staff

12-05-2006

There was a quote by Indian's GM Mark Shapiro in recent days: "We've been clear [using an in-house candidate] is not something we're looking to do," Shapiro said. "As time goes on during the season, it's possible. But from the outset here we've said we'll provide some external alternatives."

This was in regards to a question about other teams going with a young player in the closer role, trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Bobby Jenks from the White Sox and Adam Wainwright (Cardinals) were examples. The Indians view the experiment of Fausto Carmona and Tom Mastny in the 2006 season as examples of trying and failing.

Well, first of all, did they really try like those other teams did? Consider the history of Fausto Carmona and Tom Mastny. Carmona (21 yrs old), with about a half year in at AAA, had never pitched out of the bullpen until he was pressed into duty there after the injuries and poor performance of pitchers like Rafael Betancourt, Guillermo Mota, Danny Graves, and others. When the Indians did move him there, after Sabathia came back and took his temporary starting rotation spot, he was barely used - pitching an inning here and there in non pressure situations. This led many people, including apparently the Indians brain trust, to assume he was doing well in a setup role.

A few weeks before the Indians decided to trade Bob Wickman, Carmona started to see more pressure situations near the back end of games. One, I recall, was in New York against the Yankees. He got out of it, but not without struggling mightily with his control. This problem of Carmona's had been growing as the year had gone on to anyone paying attention. He was overthrowing more and more, in the process getting out of his mechanics, and the ball was all over the place. He was, if not walking guys, getting behind in counts repeatedly. It all came to a head when he was handed the closer's role after the Wickman trade. He went into meltdown mode in extreme pressure situations - one in Fenway facing Ortiz & Ramirez, which eventually led to the Indians backing him out of that role and trying other players.

Which leads to Tom Mastny. Mastny, although older (25), had little bullpen experience until this year, where he pitched 38 innings for AAA Buffalo and 24 IP in AA Akron. He had good numbers in Buffalo: 38 IP, 46 K, 16 BB, 0 HR, but nothing earth shattering given his age for that level. The previous combined year in A Kinston & AA Akron he did a little of both - start & relieve. So while he had much more bullpen experience than Carmona (who had none), and showed signs of dominance given the K/IP numbers, he still was a little older for each level he pitched at. Time would tell if his stuff was good enough to repeat that at the ML level.

The main problem with the Mastny experiment was not that the Indians tried him in the closer role - he was a good candidate for it. The problem was that they waited too long - should never have went with Carmona to begin with, then at the first sign of trouble they yanked him out of the role. Here was the timeline:

around July 19th, 2006: Wickman was traded to Atlanta and Carmona is put in the closer role. Carmona can't handle it and I am still amazed that anyone feigns surprise at this development.

August 19th-September 5th: Mastny gets his first save on the 19th and pitches very well in this role for the next 2 1/2 weeks: 9 IP, 6 hits, 3 BB, 9 K, 1 R.

September 8th is Mastny's first bad outing, a blown save against Chicago. He doesn't pitch again until almost a week later.

September 14 & 15: Two more bad appearances.

September 22: After another week off, the 22nd is his worst appearance, not getting out of an inning and giving up 3 runs.

Mastny did not pitch again the rest of the year - another 10 days.

What is interesting here in regards to Mastny is that around the 8th of September, Matt Miller was coming back from injury and put in the bullpen to get innings. Around this time also, Fernando Cabrera starting pitching more as he had improved over the last month or so. It is confusing as to why Eric Wedge did not have Mastny pitch for almost a week after his first bad outing. What is obvious looking at the game logs is that he was starting to work Cabrera & Betancourt especially into the later parts of the game. After Mastny's last bad outing the Indians went almost exclusively with Betancourt the last 10 days.

So what does that tell us about these two players - Carmona & Mastny? Carmona is a starter, always has been, and shouldn't be moved to a less valuable bullpen spot until every opportunity is exhausted in tapping his starting potential. And if he is moved to the bullpen eventually, he needs to gain some experience first, preferably in the minors, then a 6th/7th inning role and so on. Mastny, on the other hand, showed much promise in a bullpen role, at the very least a back end guy and maybe even a closer candidate. He deserves a real opportunity there.

The problem for him, and more importantly for the Indians, is the helter skelter way they develop young pitchers. It is as if they do not know what they have and if the player doesn't immediately show dominant ability they kick them aside for the next thing to try. They have no patience whatsoever with young pitching. The manager is a problem too - just call it a gut feeling, but I get the impression he has certain preconceived notions about veterans and younger players/rookies. I believe that if Betancourt and Cabrera hadn't been so awful earlier in the year, they would have been given the first shot at closing and most people would have never heard of Tom Mastny.

Another complication in all of this is this whole taking young starters and converting them to relievers. If you ever read any of these guys' comments, you can tell they do not like switching roles like this. There are a multitude of reasons, some of which include:

A) this will effect future dollar earnings in a big way down the road

B) the chances for injury increase with the switching of work load, days pitched, innings

C) player development, whether that be refining certain pitches or working on a third one gets shut down since they will not be throwing enough pitches/innings to work on these things.

D) if the player isn't already aware of these things, you can be sure their agent will inform them.

So it can be a touchy situation in even the best case scenario where a starter is a little older and has already failed multiple times at starting in the minors. Put an extremely young guy like Carmona, who was rated the Indians #1 pitching prospect to start the 2006 season in that role and even if effective I am not sure how happy he will be and for how long. Most of them will not say anything in the press because with the huge egos involved among the coaches and front office staff they will send them back to the minors in a heartbeat. And even a meaningless middle relief role in the majors is worth $350K/year compared to a starter in the minors at 25K/year. For these guys that's the difference between being poor and upper middle class in America. For the Latin players they can not only live well here but set up their families well in the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, and so on.

As an example, Jason Davis is one who has/had the stuff to be a front of the rotation starter until the Indians rushed him and then started experimenting with him in bullpen roles after he struggled in 2004. He's been back and forth, majors to minors & back, doing the starting/bullpen/starting/bullpen dance. Davis hadn't said a word until this year where he admitted he didn't like it and at this point would be happy if they just kept him in the bullpen from now on. It is interesting to note that the Indians no longer have options on Davis and will either have to keep him on the ML club or lose him to another team in 2007 so he probably felt they couldn't hurt him for voicing his opinion.

This background is why I think the Indians gave the closer job to Fausto Carmona. I think they knew he probably wasn't thrilled with going to the bullpen and maybe used a possible future lucrative closer job as a carrot. And when Wickman was traded, what were they going to say to him? Carmona did not say anything in the press at the time, other than he would do whatever the team wanted. But when they stopped the experiment late in the year and had him get a few starts he offered that he was happier starting. A similar situation happened this year in Chicago where the White Sox took another good starting prospect - Brandon McCarthy and used him in the bullpen. Kenny Williams had this to say this off season about that situation:

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If White Sox general manager Ken Williams does not trade a starting pitcher from his current rotation, he was adamant on Monday that pitcher Brandon McCarthy would start the season back in Class AAA Charlotte and not in the bullpen for a second straight year.

''One year of the bullpen, that gives you one year of a teaching tool, a little bit of something you can grow and hang your hat on,'' Williams said. ''Two years, now I'm affecting whether or not [McCarthy] will be an effective starter, and that's two years of not using his entire repertoire and keeping the strength and stamina and the core built up to where he's an effective starter. It's not fair to him.''

Compare Williams' approach to that of Mark Shapiro, who said in regards to Carmona moving forward, the Indians will use him in a way that best benefits the team in 2007, even if that means a middle relief or setup role. And furthermore, this is the same Mark Shapiro who, during an in game interview this past season, said it was a waste of Carmona's talent to use him in the bullpen unless he was a closer only.

Talk about mixed messages and then settling on the one that is not in the long term interests of the team. You have got to wonder at this point how high of an opinion the players have of the Indian's organization.

Moving on to the other pitchers mentioned in comparison ... Bobby Jenks finished this year with an ERA around 4, not exactly great for a shut down closer, yet you don't hear anything about the White Sox being in the market for a new one. Probably because they realize he had 41 saves and even good closers will blow saves on average 1+ a month. Jenks had 2 blown saves and a loss in September alone. Jenks has a similar history to Mastny as far as age, bullpen experience, and numbers in the minors. In this comparison the White Sox not only gave Jenks a legitimate shot but are staying with their guy while the Indians are out buying piles of mediocre veteran arms with spotty ML records and known injury issues. At this point, it doesn't look like Mastny is going to have any bullpen role, let alone a shot at closing, in 2007.

Adam Wainwright (25 years old) does not have the same history as Jenks and Mastny and at this time isn't a closer candidate for St. Louis. He's basically a failed starter in the minor leagues, hitting a wall with back to back Jeremy Guthrie like seasons at AAA. But even the Cardinals did not throw just him into a high pressure closer's role. That role was already taken by the veteran Jason Isringhausen. Wainwright started the year in a middle relief role and ended up in some save (3 total saves) situations towards September only because of injury to Isringhausen. When Isringhauen comes back at the start of the year, Wainwright will not be the Cardinal's closer.

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